Todays Busch Race

[Nascarcamping]

The first Busch race in Canada is today, enjoy and learn some French :D

Lets hope all goes well, and lets hope a Canadian wins it :twisted:

[bigolepig]

hehehe....Yeah.... Go Jean Pierre-Robby Gordon.

[Nascarcamping]

:lol:

[JimmieJohnson]

They are really enjoying the road course racing in the Busch series. I think it's great. 8)

[bigolepig]

Woooohooooo....just watching qualifying...did you see that #55 car...that boy is just flat out fast!!

[Nascarcamping]

I must say that I am very impressed with what I have seen leading up to the race, I dont like the fact that they dont have camping, and froma personal note I am still mad that my family did not take me there in 67 to see Expo :cry:

The absolute toughest circuit that drivers have seen anywhere according to Rusty Wallce.

[Nascarcamping]

Now this is to cool, I just moved this topic from the Fans Lounge to Nascar Canada :D

[JimmieJohnson]

How long did it take to make that island and track and everything? That place looks so cool. 8)

[Nascarcamping]

Island was made in the 60's for Expo 67, Track was made I think in 82 or so, very nice area, lots of History, anywhere up and down the St.lawrence is where Canada/US was formed, lots of battles, etc...

[Fundytrail]

The island was built from the earth removed in the excavation of the Montreal subway 8)

Don't want give my age away but was there for EXPO 67 as a class trip :oops:

[Nascarcamping]

I bet it was a grade 8 trip :?:

[Fundytrail]

I only wish it was grade 8 :cry:

[Fundytrail]

How they finished in Montreal;

1 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet
2 Patrick Carpentier Dodge :D
3 Max Papis Chevrolet
4 Ron Fellows Chevrolet :D
5 Stephen Leicht Ford
6 Kyle Krisiloff *Ford
7 Marcos Ambrose *Ford
8 Brad Coleman *Chevrolet
9 David Reutimann Toyota
10 Jeff Burton Chevrolet
11 Aric Almirola Chevrolet
12 Niclas Jonsson Chevrolet
13 Ron Hornaday Chevrolet
14 Scott Pruett Dodge
15 Andy Pilgrim Chevrolet
16 Michel Jourdain Jr. Ford
17 Stanton Barrett Chevrolet
18 Robby Gordon Ford
19 David Ragan *Ford
20 Greg Biffle Ford
21 Todd Kluever Ford
22 Brent Sherman Chevrolet
23 John Graham Toyota
24 Bobby Hamilton Jr. Ford
25 Richard Johns Ford
26 Jason Leffler Toyota
27 Mike Wallace Chevrolet
28 Boris Said Dodge
29 Andy Lally Ford
30 Carl Edwards Ford
31 Jorge Goeters Ford
32 Steve Wallace Dodge
33 Mike Mackenzie Chevrolet :cry:
34 Michael Valiante Dodge
35 Trevor Boys Chevrolet
36 Alex Garcia *Chevrolet
37 D.J. Kennington Dodge
38 Morgan Shepherd Dodge
39 Scott Gaylord Ford
40 Mark Green Dodge
41 Joe Fox Chevrolet
42 Jerick Johnson Chevrolet

[tmheld]

Now I know why I hate Robby Gordon.
If He would have just stayed in line after his spin he would've been in 1st....but nooo!

[Riplin]

Robby was robbed. He made a clean pass and got stuffed. I dont blame him for doinig what he did. As usually Nascar has it out for the little guy.

[tmheld]

If people think he was robbed so be it.....I diagree with what he did after....

[Riplin]

Ya your right. We sure dont want to see any emotion on the race track. All that does is wreck it for everone. How about Harvick he stuffed Scott. And that got him the win. Should we hang him to?

[tmheld]

Harvick did that when it was green... Robby sped by 18 cars and bumped Ambrose 3 times under yellow. Emotion is great to see but if rules aren't followed then what do you have?

[Nascarcamping]

I taped the last 24 laps so I am going to go watch it now

[JimmieJohnson]

I dont understand all the rules. I think it will be interesting to see what NASCAR has to say about all of this.

[tmheld]

In this case the rules were clear..agressive driving put Gordan to last car on the lead lap and he did not drop back. Whether or not that was the right call or not, that was the call at the time. I don't know what the rules are for going green when a driver does not comply, but Nascar had to know that Robby was going to wreck Ambrose.

[Nascarcamping]

Well I just watched it, and I can see why Robby did it,( meaning I think I understand that he thinks Nascar was wrong hence the reason why he did not drop back after Nascar said for him to do so) he truly believe that he was in the lead when the caution came out.

BUT, the big question is, where was the scoring loop when the yellow came out?

Just because you see a flagman with a yellow flag waving does not mean that that point is where the scoring takes place.

It would take place at the last scoring loop.

Is this the best way to do it?

My answer in a short way is no.

Road courses are different animals than ovals, maybe we have to go to a GPS based system so it can be figured out with no mistake.

I redid this post

[JG24fan]

Well if they penalize Robby, they should also have to penalize Marcos, as he spun Robby after the caution came out. Last time I checked, NASCAR said that it was a big "No No" to intentionally hit or wreck someone during a caution.

[tmheld]

Again, My thought is that Robby was in the lead when the caution came out,

why did he feel the need to race back up to the front and bump Ambrose when Nascar should have given him 1st place with 3 laps to go.

He screwed hiself.

[Nascarcamping]

So, I thought of this more, and this is pretty much what you can bet happened, and or happens.

The big guys upstairs say throw the caution.

This gets relayed to the Chief Official.

He then radios to all the flag bearers to start to wave the caution.

Now, the flag guys and gals are human, so they have to get themselves into position, pick up or get the right flag out, and start to wave.

This could all take what 5-15 seconds before the flag is seen by the drivers going by?

But, I can gurantee that when the Chief official makes the call, there are notes made via pictures or what have you in regards to where the cars are in relation to the scoring loops.

This then takes priority over when and where the drivers actually see the first yellow thrown.

I dont think Robby got the black flag because he bumped Ambrose, I think he got it because he did not follow Nascars orders and drop back.

[bigolepig]

Coming from a very obvious Robby Gordon fan, this will sound bias. But he DOES get the raw end all the time. Watch a few of the races at the beginning of the season (I believe one was Vegas) when he lost a tire, NASCAR systematically will wait until he loses a lap BEFORE they will throw the yellow.

I know he is not the most beloved driver out there...he is aggressive, and passionate about what he does. I have seen first hand (MANY TIMES) what a nice person he is to fans. Like I have said repeatedly in the past...take the time to meet him...if everyone did there would be a sea of Jim Beam shirts in the stands on Sunday's.

AFTER further review...I have watched the replay of the incident with him and Ambrose, you can CLEARLY see the flag person waving the yellow flag before Ambrose tags Robby. THAT would say the field was FROZEN then and what happened after that was not attributed to the caution. Therefore he should NOT have had to restart in the 12th (or wherever it was) position. I am sorry...Robby fan or not, the caution flag was waving, watch it on trackpass on nascar.com.

[Nascarcamping]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that shot I did not see, that would then change things......

I think the Pig better get her nightstick out and start the march to nascar Head Office :D

Here is a little joke, " the command was given in French so the flag guys and gals did not understand it" :shock:

[bigolepig]

:lol: That's it...drapeau noir monsieur Gordon.

(The best I could do with an online translator...ha!)

[Fundytrail]

Now on the bright side of the BUSH race, a crowd of 68,150 packing the grandstands for the race and the two day total attendance was 129,473. :D That's as many that will attend the Cup race at Pocono today, which only has seating for 76,812 and most races at Pocono are a far cry from a sellouts :!:

EDIT - ESPN reported 100,000 at todays Pocono race :oops:

The Formula I event in Montreal attracts 100,000. :roll:

[Nascarcamping]

Now only if they had camping there :x